When She’s Over-Protective Of Forty
Love’s relationship with Forty is a very important element in season two. She is very protective of him and at first glance, this seems totally healthy. However, as the season progresses her relationship with Forty starts to mimic Joe’s relationship with Ellie.
Both Love and Joe feel a sense of responsibility to protect and fix their loved ones but carry it out in an inappropriate manner as they would quite literally kill for them. Love is constantly overbearing with Forty, she hires a private investigator to track his girlfriend and reveals that she killed their childhood nanny for him. Joe is also overbearing with Ellie as he reads her text messages, tracks her, and kills Henderson for her.
When She Agrees To Leave Town With Joe
Towards the end of the season, viewers watch Joe as he devises a plan to flee Los Angeles. He leaves Love a note explaining that he needs to leave town, and after a night of drinking, Love calls him and ends up agreeing to leave town with him. Although the two later postpone their plans of escaping Los Angeles, the fact that Love was willing to up and leave town with Joe was unsettling.
Love’s entire life, family, friends, and career were all in Los Angeles so leaving town so abruptly just wouldn’t make sense. Love was blinded by her obsession with Joe, who she would do anything for, and momentarily agreed to something that would drastically change her life.
YOU.
It’s on Netlifx, it’s on social media, it’s on your brain as you attempt to go to sleep after watching six episodes in a row but you can’t because now you’re scared somebody’s got access to your group chat without your knowledge.
Essentially, it’s everywhere, and we are powerless to stop it.
For the past few weeks, people have been enthralled, creeped out, and generally entertained by the psychological thriller.
If you haven’t got a clue what all of the fuss is about, you can check out a brief summary of events here, but if you have got a clue what all the fuss is about, you’re probably also aware of one of the more troubling reactions to the series – people fancying Joe Goldberg.
Not Penn Badgley himself – that would be grand and totally understandable – but Joe. The serial killer stalker.
While the vast majority of people are most likely aware that being into Joe’s whole entirely questionable and rather un-ideal vibe is very problematic, others just can’t help romanticising the guy who kills people to get closer to women and then keeps their tampons in secret boxes in his apartment.
Spoilers if you haven’t finished the series yet.
The problem has been become so rampant over the past few days that Penn Badgley has even taken it upon himself to respond to a couple of Joe’s ‘fans’ on Twitter.
Here’s a taste of what he’s been dealing with.
Badgley’s responses are important for a couple of reasons.
The first is that a lot of his tweets lately have been about humanitarian crises and straight promotion of his work so you know that this is something he wants to address.
The second is that he’s not about to play into the warped promotion of his character as some sort of misunderstood city boy who just needs a bit of loving. Or a man that young women should want to be pursued by.
Joe is none of those things. Like Badgley says, he’s a murderer – that’s it.
Badgley’s casting as the psychopathic serial killer is no mistake.
He wasn’t owed a favour by some top TV exec, he didn’t just stroll into the role and everyone was like yeah alright we guess we’ll keep him?
Sure he probably nailed his audition, but he’s also an extremely traditionally handsome, and naturally charming, man.
His jaw is chiselled from marble and yet his facial features are soft. He’s forceful looking yet entirely unassuming. As the title of the series’ second episode suggests, he’s the only nice guy left in New York.
That’s what he is, and that’s what he looks like – nice. And that’s why the show works so well, why it’s so unnerving, and why people have been so sufficiently creeped out by it.
Look at Ted Bundy, look at Richard Ramirez, look at any killer who’s ever used their charm, good looks, and general trustworthy demeanour to lure victims into a false sense of security and, eventually, to their deaths.
YOU pushed its depictions of obsession and violence so far so that there could be no doubt as to their danger.
A show entirely about a man stalking a woman who is in turn in love with him risks becoming muddled. Its messages are confused by the scenes of sex and moments of happiness peppered throughout.
Those who have experienced similar situations may know what they are, but others could mistake the man’s obsession for nothing more than intense interest. They risk seeing an extremely unhealthy relationship as something ideal, something to be wanted.
YOU did a lot to try and ensure that this wouldn’t happen.
They made Joe’s intentions of murder explicitly clear from the word go. They didn’t dance around with the idea that he might just be a bit of a weirdo who didn’t know how to act around women.
They turned an Average Joe into a stalker, someone who steals phones, deciphers passwords, and locks lads in underground boxes beneath his bookstore.
They made a handsome, nice, intelligent guy your worst nightmare – and begged you to recognise him for what he is.
And really, that’s the point of it all. The killer isn’t some old, actively creepy, mongrel Beck met down a dark alley on her way home from the pub – he’s the guy you know, love, and trust, and that makes him so much more horrifying.
Get to the end of the series (or Jesus, even the end of the first episode) and there will be no doubt in your mind that Joe is not a hero.
Joe is a killer, he’s a stalker, he’s an abuser, and he is not the ideal. There’s nothing romantic about obsession – it’s unhealthy and it’s dangerous, and YOU – both the show and the book – have depicted the extreme end of dodgy.
It’s right there, you can’t miss it.
Fancy Penn Badgley all you want, like. He’s a handsome guy, he’s talented, he seems lovely. Go for it.
But Joe Goldberg is the worst. Like, literally the worst.
He’s a serial killer stalker who keeps loose teeth in a little box above his toilet – and you can do better.
New Joe, new group
You 4: a scene photo
The “new Joe”, now calling himself Jonathan Moore, finds himself entangled with London’s elite born and raised in wealth and luxury, through his male-dominated and snobbish university colleague Malcolm (Stephen Hagan) and neighbor (and is immediately The window to the courtyard). This is because the college where he teaches is very prestigious. The company, which makes up the new entries of the season, is composed in a varied and clumsy way by: Kate, the apparently cold girlfriend of Malcolm (Charlotte Ritchie) and her apparently ditzy best friend Lady Phoebe (Tilly Keeper), together with her longtime boyfriend of the latter, the apparently unmarked scion of the family business Adam Pratt (Lukas Gage). With them are: Simon, an apparently tormented and misunderstood contemporary artist (Aidan Cheng) and his sister, the influencer Sophie (Niccy Lin), the inopportune Gemma (Eve Austin) every time she opens her mouth, the African princess Blessing (Ozioma Whenu), the perpetually stoned Connie (Dario Coates) and the sibylline Roald (Ben Wiggins), who seems the most wary of the newcomer.
What we know about Season 3
The entire second season of You was dropped on December 26, 2019, for fans’ binging pleasure. It ended with a huge surprise about Joe’s new love interest, Love. Unfortunately, according to The Cinemaholic, fans have been waiting a long time to find out what happens next. Although a third season was ordered in January 2020, production was delayed by coronavirus (COVID-19).
Filming finally started in November, and it was finished in April of this year. Although there’s no set date for the next season to be released, it’s expected to come out toward the end of this year. Many members of the cast are expected to return, including Badgley and Pedretti.
The new season will reportedly be about Joe as he focuses on yet another woman. At the same time, he and Love are living in the suburbs and preparing to become parents. According to the show’s co-creator, Sera Gamble, You may be nowhere near the end.
“I will say that we have a lot of stories still to tell,” she explained. “I am not scared at all of saying that we definitely could follow Joe for several more seasons.” Fans are glad to hear it, but Badgley is going to have to find a way to cope with spending even more time as Joe.
When She Wants Joe To Meet Her Friends Right Away
Joe and Love hadn’t known each other very long when she urged him to meet her friends. This was especially odd considering their relationship wasn’t anywhere near serious at this time. In fact, almost anytime that their relationship progressed romantically, it was usually due to Love’s actions since Joe wanted to keep things platonic.
For example, Love instigates their first kiss early in episode two. Not only was this kiss a bit out of the blue, but Love escalates things when she asks Joe to meet her friends for lunch that same day. This red flag signals that Love may share Joe’s obsessive tendencies.
New town, new Joe?
You 4: an image from the series
Having made this premise, Joe seems to be full of good intentions, like us with the new year, for his new life in Europe. He now he is a professor-let’s leave it to the persuasive voice of Penn Badgley explain how he became after the last events and fantasize about having him as a teacher – and of course he teaches literature, his great passion together with that for the opposite sex. This has always been the predominant characteristic of You, thanks to the fact that it is based on the novels of Caroline Kepnes and then continued on its own path thanks to Greg Berlanti and Sera Gamble: to have a literary elegance and atmosphere, as well as refined dialogues and the welcoming approach of the voice over of Joe in characterizing the characters he gradually presents to the viewer, making the serial fascinating despite being often frivolous and surreal in many developments of the plot.
Conclusions
We conclude the review of You 4 – Part 1 happy that the series has been able to renew itself by recovering some themes but changing settings and side characters (perhaps too many), reversing Joe’s role and continuing to analyze his psychology. However, we are sorry that it has remained trapped in its own narrative schemes, and we wonder how much longer it can go on: perhaps for a fifth and final season?
Because we like it
- Penn Badgley always manages to captivate both on stage and through his voice over.
- The reversal of the point of view of the stalker and the victim.
- The insertion of a new literary genre in place of the thriller.
- The recovery and expansion of certain themes such as social criticism and redemption.
- The large number of new entries is interesting…
What’s wrong
- … but perhaps a little too numerous, inevitably ending up losing some insights and characterization along the way.
- The series continues to turn on itself to return to the starting point in a certain sense, so sooner or later it will have to close, but we trust in part 2.
Главные претензии Пенна Бэджли на известность – это «ты» и «сплетница»
За последние несколько лет казалось, что новые телешоу выходят в сетях и потоковых сервисах ежедневно. Однако, несмотря на это, шансов на успех шоу по-прежнему не так много, поэтому лишь небольшая часть сериалов, которые транслируются в любой момент времени, добиваются реального успеха. Имея это в виду, всякий раз, когда актер играет главную роль в одном популярном шоу, он должен благодарить свою счастливую звезду. Более того, когда актер преодолевает все трудности, снявшись более чем в одном популярном сериале, это все равно, что дважды ударить молнией. К счастью для Пенна Бэджли, в его фильмографии есть два хитовых сериала.
После того, как Пенн Бэджли впервые столкнулся с актерским успехом, когда он снялся в фильме «Молодые и дерзкие» в начале 2000-х годов, он действительно прославился после премьеры «Сплетницы». В роли одного из главных героев сериала, Дэна Хамфри, Бэджли снимался в сериале «Сплетница» с 2007 по 2012 год. После нескольких лет относительной анонимности после финала «Сплетницы» Бэджли оказался в центре внимания после того, как получил главную роль в популярном сериале Netflix. Ты. Поскольку Бэджли удивительно жуткий, как звезда You, все говорили о нем, как только шоу покорило мир. Имея это в виду, вполне логично, что игра в фильме «Ты» добавила много денег на банковские счета Бэджли.
New Joe, old genre
You 4: Penn Badgley in una scena
After fleeing his responsibilities and US authorities, Joe finds himself with a new mystery, which sort of reverses the roles of hunter and hunted, stalker and victim, for our romantic serial killer. Another point of view of the “external” group is that of the shrewd and all too bright student Nadia (Amy-Leigh Hickman), who will help the protagonist try to unravel the skein in which he will find himself involved. That is in the lowest form of literature according to him, the classic yellow (remember that Agatha Christie is the best-selling writer in the world). The spectator is therefore continually called into question by voice over of the protagonist, trying to discover the truth and ending up as always rooting for our hopeless stalker and without apparent possibility of redemption. Redemption will be the other theme to which the series will return in this new season, reflecting on whether or not it is possible for all the characters: some explored even in an interesting way, others forgotten along the way because perhaps too numerous, in order to confuse the public. We just have to wait for part 2 to understand if rushing events in this first half has benefited the general pace of the series or not.
Fans of the show are Tweeting about their love for Joe Goldberg, played by Penn Badgley in thriller You
By Jessica Barrett
January 10, 2019 3:32 pm(Updated October 7, 2020 8:34 pm)
When Joe Goldberg, played by Gossip Girl’s Penn Badgley, spells out the non-existent word ‘Everythingship’ on the Scrabble board in Netflix’s hipster thriller You, the women he so desperately wants to possess, Guinevere Beck, is touched.
“I love that,” she smiles, not realising that to Joe, ‘Everythingship’ really does mean she will have to give him everything.
‘At the time I was very conflicted’: Penn Badgley is leaving his good guy persona behind in You. Photo: Netflix
Joe is an obsessive, homicidal stalker who Beck, as she’s known, first meets when she walks into the New York book shop he manages. He is brilliant, and deranged enough to use that brilliance to infiltrate Beck’s life.
Joe kills her on-off boyfriend, steals her phone, reads every one of her messages as she gets them, goes into her social media accounts and stands outside her apartment, watching her undress, have sex and half-heartedly try pursue her career as a writer.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=cKOhno0IMpA
He manages, at first, to keep up the pretence of being the kind of guy who is pursuing a normal, breezy romance with Beck. The warning signals – as in any other abusive dangerous relationship – are there, but Joe covers his tracks and gaslights Beck into thinking he is the best, the only option for her.
It’s quite the list. He couldn’t do much more to make us hate him. For some viewers of You, based on the novel by Caroline Kepnes, Joe’s black, evil soul is actually quite attractive, however.
Badgley with Elizabeth Lail who plays Beck in the Netflix thriller (Netflix)
People are admitting on Twitter that they fancy him; they are choosing to think of him as ‘hot’, ‘cute’ and ‘misunderstood’ rather than the kind of violent, manipulative man to be avoided at all costs.
Part of this may well be that Joe doesn’t look like a stalker: he’s a skinny, geeky hipster who loves books and looks out for the kid who lives across the hall. The series is making the point, of course, that you can’t tell an abuser by their appearance.
To his credit Badgley is responding to such tweets with vehement rebuttals: instead of retweeting his praise, he’s begging viewers to stop romanticising Joe.
When one Twitter wrote that it “scared him” how many people were romanticising Joe, Badgley agreed. “Ditto,” he wrote. “It will be all the motivation I need for season 2.”
Another viewer wrote, “Said this already but @PennBadgley is breaking my heart once again as Joe. What is it about him?” to which Badgley replied, “A: He is a murderer.” Another wrote, “Okay but @PennBadgley was sexy as Dan but lord Joe is a whole new level”, Badgley replied, “Of problems, right?” Another simply wrote, “Kidnap me”, Badgley wrote back, “No thx”.
The series itself is highlighting boundaries in relationships which can be broken before you’ve even realised it, when your relationship turns abusive. Joe begins to try and turn Beck against her friends and vice versa – giving him total control; he pretends to support her writing career but really he wants her to fail so he can manipulate her; he gives her a job in his bookshop so he knows where she is at all times.
Penn Badgley at the premiere for YOU. Photo: David Livingston/Getty
These are all things which if viewed through rose tinted glasses might be construed as loving, kind and supportive. The darkness of the series comes from the fact that we, the viewer, know they are not. Beck only realises when it’s too late.
Badgley said in a recent interview that it was possible to like the show without liking Joe. “As compelled and interested as I am by the project as a whole and the character, I don’t like it I don’t think anyone can comfortably say, ‘Yeah, I like that guy’. It becomes more and more complicated, especially being the person who has to embody him. There’s no way around it — Joe’s not a great person.”
He told E! News that he was actually “troubled” by the role. “I’m really questioning why people like Joe so much,” he said, adding, “He’s like a troll, like a real troll, like an internet troll.”
Perhaps most interesting was when Badgley said that he viewed the response to Joe as some kind of “social experiment”. He said last year: “It’s a litmus test to see the mental gymnastics that we’re still willing to perform on a cultural level, to love an evil white man…I think it’ll certainly add to the conversation and it’ll create its own conversation.” Badgley cannot have been expecting it to be this one.
L’hate watching
You 4: a scene from the series
After the Los Angeles suburbs, having abandoned his son and eliminated Love by placing the blame for all the murders on her, Joe follows his latest obsession, Marianne (Tati Gabrielle), to Paris and London, moving the soap thriller into European territory of addictive Netflix. A vision addiction that someone thought they should call “hate watching“, a (in the opinion of the writer) very ugly and denigrating phenomenon that would involve the series that we “hate to watch” but that we continue to see as if it were a fault (the famous “guilty pleasure“, another questionable term), a bit to be able to continue criticizing them on social media. Someone could wisely say that if we like to look at an audiovisual product, evidently somehow it has managed to enter our sphere, be it emotional or intellectual, so what’s the point of having to justify its vision with a negative connotation?
You 3, the review: love in the time of stalkers
Замечательная роль Джона Такера в исполнении Пенна Бэджли
Когда в 2006 году вышел фильм «Джон Такер должен умереть», он был представлен кинозрителям двумя основными способами. Во-первых, в рекламе фильма «Джон Такер должен умереть» рассказывается о четырех молодых женщинах, которые собираются вместе, чтобы отомстить своему общему парню-изменщику. Вдобавок ко всему, 20th Century Fox поместила узнаваемых звезд Джона Такера должен умереть в центре внимания, включая Бриттани Сноу, Ашанти, Джесси Меткалф и Софию Буш. С другой стороны, лицо Пенна Бэджли никогда не было видно в основном трейлере фильма «Джон Такер должен умереть».
Учитывая тот факт, что Пенн Бэджли не был большой звездой, когда вышел фильм «Джон Такер должен умереть», есть определенный уровень смысла в том, что он не появился в основном трейлере фильма. Однако после просмотра «Джон Такер должен умереть» кажется несколько странным, что Бэджли не участвовал в продвижении фильма. В конце концов, персонаж Бэджли был чрезвычайно важен для сюжета фильма, если не сказать больше.
В фильме «Джон Такер должен умереть» Пенн Бэджли сыграл брата главного героя, Скотта Такера. В отличие от своего злодейского брата и сестры, Скотт Такер — воплощение хорошего парня из подросткового кино. В результате главная героиня «Джона Такера должен умереть» Кейт Спенсер влюбляется в персонажа Бэджли. На самом деле, Скотт и Кейт кажутся такими милыми вместе, что, когда Бриттани Сноу спросили, хочет ли она, чтобы ее персонаж, Кейт, все еще была со Скоттом Бэджли, она призналась, что болеет за выдуманную пару. «Надеюсь! Не знаю — похоже на школьную подружку. Я уверен, что если они и не вместе, то они по-прежнему хорошие друзья, потому что вместе слушали подкасты и были настоящими хипстерами».
Помимо того факта, что странно, что персонаж Пенна Бэджли, Джон Такер должен умереть, был в значительной степени забыт, поклонники шоу могут быть шокированы его ролью в фильме. В конце концов, несмотря на то, что персонаж Сплетницы Бэджли поначалу казался возлюбленным, по мере развития шоу стало ясно, что у Дэна определенно есть темная сторона. На самом деле легко утверждать, что Дэн был самым манипулятивным персонажем Сплетницы. Помня об этом и о том, насколько эффективно Бэджли сыграл в тебе мерзавца, интересно посмотреть, как он играет подростка с чистым сердцем.
Social criticism
You 4: a moment of the series
Luckily there is a outsider in the group: Rhys (Ed Speleers), a self-made rich young man with whom Joe immediately feels affinities given their common “poor” origins. What You wants to stage through these characters is the hyper-luxurious and often uselessly such world that these characters live, (too) often closer to reality than we might think, between vernissages on the last frontier and exclusive retreats in houses of countryside that seem to come from Downton Abbey. In exposing all their contradictions and monetary idiosyncrasies, our Joe almost becomes “champion of the poor” setting up a ferocious social satire. Thus continuing a certain type of discussion begun in the third season with the suburbs of the American periphery, already widely explored in series such as Desperate Housewiveswhile in the fourth season there is a further leap forward towards the British wealthy class, often related or connected to the English royal family. Sparkling and very fast dialogues, a new world to be discovered as for the American colonists and a mystery obviously to be revealed that directly involves our Joe / Jonathan. A bit as if her Dan Humphrey had revealed that she was Gossip Girl at the beginning of the teen drama, wanting to put the entire New York elite to wrong.
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The mysterious and terrifying Joe Goldberg
You is based on a novel by Caroline Kepnes, and according to Best of Netflix, the result is a series that’s “unsettling and disturbing.” At the beginning of the show, Joe seemed like a normal guy who worked in a bookstore. But then he became fixated on a woman named Guinevere Beck (played by Elizabeth Lail).
Joe didn’t show his interest in Guinevere with flowers, though. Instead, he went to extreme lengths to try to get her under his control. These techniques included lying, sneaking around, spying on people, and murder. At the end of the first season, he fled to escape his crimes, and settled in Los Angeles.
There he met new romantic interest, Love Quinn (played by Victoria Pedretti), and started his life over. But his past deeds cropped up, causing him to fall back into his violent ways. Joe is a creepy, sadistic, controlling, and abusive killer with a charming veneer. Viewers found him fascinating, but also repellant.
They’re not the only ones.
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